04.16.2002 P&Z MinutesREGULAR MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION
PROSPER FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH YOUTH BUILDING, 601 SOUTH CHURCH STREET
TUESDAY, APRIL 16, 2002, 7:OOP.M.
Those Present: Chairman, Mike Parkinson, Mike Wadsworth, Steve Coffman, and Ane Casady.
Call to order: Chairman, Mike Parkinson called the meeting to order at 7:07 p.m.
Consent Items: No comments from the commission on the consent items. Motion by Steve Coffman and
seconded by Ane Casady to approve the consent items. Vote was 4-0. Motion carried.
Administrative Issues: City Council representative Larry Tracey was present at the meeting and is to coordinate
a meeting date between April 22, 2002 and May 3, 2003 for a workshop between the City Council and P&Z.
Mike Wadsworth is to coordinate a workshop with the Prosper Town Center developers and the P&Z for
development details. Commissioners are also to have final comments on the Developer's packet submitted to
Chairman, Mike Parkinson, by Friday April 19, 2002.
Prosper Town Center — Workshop on a proposed Commercial/Retail development located at the northeast
corner of SH289 and CR78:
Charles Hodges was present and presented the Planning and Zoning Commission with the proposed
development. Prosper Town Center has requested commercial zoning on the property and feels that the
commission has drifted to a PD on the development. Mr. Hodges asked that the commission use other review
processes such as the concept plan, detail site plan, building plan and the CCNR document. Mr. Hodges asked
for consideration of commercial zoning from the Commission and not PD at this time. They will develop a full set
of building guidelines in the future.
Mike Wadsworth informed the developers that the Town's Master Plan is under development and not in place at
this time. His concern with commercial zoning is the lack of time to set development standards and restrictions
in place before the zoning would be approved. Prosper Town Center is the first large commercial development
in Prosper, and the commission is not comfortable with straight commercial zoning. Mr. Wadsworth indicated
that he had rather work through the development details prior to annexation and zoning of the property.
Mr. Hodges explained that details could be worked out up front and both parties could agree on a full set of
development standards prior to accepting the project. Mr. Clark stated that Prosper Town Center was only
looking for a general consensus that commercial zoning is acceptable for the development as the development
standards will be worked out in the future. The developers are having a difficult time marketing the project
without commercial zoning in place.
Mr. Wadsworth would like to hold a special workshop for discussion on the requested PD. Mr. Parkinson
agreed. Mr. Coffman expressed his concerns for the PD, as a new property owner could change the design and
details of the project. Mr. Coffman does not want another developer to have this flexibility.
The developer requested that legal counsel for the Town be present at the workshop. Mr. Coffman replied that
there would be an appropriate time to bring them in, but it may not be in the first workshop.
The developers asked that the zoning request be tabled and stated that they will pull the annexation request on
the property as well.
Prosper Town Center — Public Hearing for the rezoning of 44.613 acres located at the northeast corner of SH289
and CR78: Tabled.
Variance request by Rav and Lena Smith, 1500 Harvest Ridge, to construct a barn with an apartment located
upstairs on their lot in Amberwood Farms:
Mr. Smith presented the commission with his request for a variance for an efficiency apartment on the top floor
of the barn.
Mr. Smith currently resides at 5556 Mallard Trace in Frisco, Texas. Mr. Smith owns 6 acres in Amberwood
Farms and showed the commission a plot plan of the property with his intent to build a barn. The barn will be a
four -stall facility with 50% masonry on bottom and wood on top. Mr. Smith must take approval from the
Commission back to the City Council in May. He then must take the council approval back to the Homeowners
Association for approval.
Ms. Casady stated that the council has not issued a variance of this type in the past and she does not want to
set precedence. Mr. Coffman stated that two houses in Stone Creek and Rhea Mills have this type of
apartment over the garage. Ms. Casady also questioned why Mr. Smith would build the barn on the property
prior to building the house. Mr. Smith replied that they would like to move his horses to the property
immediately, while building the residence.
Motion by Stephen Coffman and seconded by Mike Wadsworth that the Planning and Zoning Commission
recommend approval of a variance to the Town Council on the above mentioned property, subject to the HOA
approval and architectural review. Vote was 4-0. Motion carded.
Lakes of Prosper, John Christie and Steve Goodman — Discussion mardino a proposed development located
on CR4:
Mr. John Christie, managing partner of the property, presented the commission with the development plan of
Lakes of Prosper. The developers have amended the concept plan, at the request of the commission. The
entrance of the development has changed for fire and police protection, along with common area and green -belt
for buffer zone to RR and Phase 11 of the development. The developers requested lot sizes of 9,000 to 10,000
sq. ft. The developers have a development packet for the building standards.
Eddie Collins with Goodman Land Advisors, 5700 W. Plano Pkwy, Suite 3000, Plano, Texas 75093, presented
the commission on plans for the development. The ratio will be 24-35% lot coverage with a 4 to 7 year build -out.
The potential builders are Goodman, Diamond, David Weekly, Southerby Homes, Woodhaven, darling and
Huntington Homes has expressed interest in the project.
45% of the development would be 9,000 sq. ft, lots with a total of 253 lots. Depth of the lots would be
approximately 153'and the width would be approximately 66'. Residence would range from 1,600-3,000 sq. ft.
homes in the $150,000.00 to $200,000.00 price range.
55% of the development would be 10,000 sq. ft. lots with residences ranging from 2,000-3,500 sq. ft. homes (or
unlimited) in the $200,000.00 to $250,000.00 price range.
Mr. Wadsworth questioned the utilities to the development. Sewer currently ends at Hope Lumber. Developer
would have to extend the sewer line and install a lift station for the property. A gas pipe -line and distribution
power line also run thru the property. The developers have spoke with TXU regarding the relocation of the
power line or the change to an underground line. Developers have also met with Burlington Northern Rail Road
on the design a safety rail crossing feature for the adjacent development.
Drainage Issue —The developers have created lakes to handle potential drainage problems. They have also met
with environmental scientist regarding lakes and channels on the property.
Mr. Wadsworth stated that the council wanted to see a minimum of 10,000 sq, ft. lots. However, there are still
sections of the development where there will be 20-30 homes in a row with no variation of elevation.
Mr. Coffman stated that he wanted the lot width increased. Mr. Collins replied that if the width increased, the
depth would decrease, and homeowners wanted deeper lots, rather than wider lots. Mr. Collins explained that in
order for a community to be viable, you must have a mixture of products with varied price ranges. Mr. Coffman
explained that the development just approved by the council on the East side of town (La Cima) was a
competing product and the developments on the west should include enhanced amenities to compete
compensate for the smaller lot sizes.
Ms. Casady stated that people could afford higher priced homes. Therefore, the commission was sticking to
10,000 sq. ft. minimum lot sizes. The commission was in general agreement of the 10,000 sq. ft. lots. The
commission also asked for a minimum 80' x 125' lot size.
Mr. Christie asked for a percentage of 9,000 sq. ft. lots, at least along the buffer zones. Mr. Christie stated that
they could re -vamp the plan with minimum 10,000 sq. ft. lot sizes. Coffman suggested that further dialogue with
the developer would be productive after the upcoming workshop between the Council and P&Z and Mr.
Wadsworth agreed to contact Mr. Christie once that workshop had been held.
Bell 380 Partners — Discussion reqardinq a proposed industrial development on CR3:
Not present. Tabled until later date.
Vllaaes of La Cima, Phases I and 11— Review, discussion and possible action on the approval of Preliminary
Plats: Mr. John Papagolos presented the commission with the preliminary plat for phase I and 11 of the Villages
of La Cima. Mr. Papagolos agreed to the changes of the plat as recommended by City Engineer, Travis
Roberts. Action Items on Mr. Roberts' recommendation letter are mainly tied to the engineering of the project,
which will not begin until after the approval of the preliminary plats. Mr. Papagolos would like to discuss the
water well site needed on the property with the Engineer and Mayor of Prosper. He has identified a more visibly
suitable location for the well site. He would like proper screening around the site to assure that the well is un-
offensive to the property owners. The drainage issue proposal to Mr. Roberts was that retaining walls could be
built on the back of the property and force drainage to the front of the lots. Another solution is for 25% of the lot
to drain to the rear of the property and the house / down -spouts drain to the front. Travis Roberts commented on
the drainage issue that he does not want to see lot -to -lot drainage and a retaining wall must sometimes be built.
Travis does not want the City to have to maintain any easements or lots in the development.
Ms. Casady asked if there would be storm sewer drainage in the development and Mr. Papagolos responded
yes. Mr. Wadsworth questioned what will happen between the southern boundary of the property and US 380.
Mr. Papagolos stated that Folsom retained that property and a dedication of a 4-lane road will be made to the
Town. The southern end of the property will be developed first, as it has access to sewer.
Mr. Papagolos has worked with the school district on purchasing a fully -developed school -site.
Steve Coffman asked how the preliminary plat complied with the PD relative to a number of issues (lakes, trails,
parks, community center, etc.), and Mr. Papagolos simply stated that it did comply. Mr. Papagolos explained
that it did and those items would be included in the construction plans that will be presented to the City for review
and approval. Common areas: lakes, fountains, trails, park benches along jogging trails, private amenity center.
Ms. Casady asked if none of the amenities would be built in Phase I. Mr. Papagolos responded that all
amenities relating to Phase I would be built.
Mr. Wadsworth questioned the safety issue of the development stemming from US 380. Mr. Papagolos
explained that he has been working with TXDOT for a deceleration lane in the West bound lane of US 380. Mr.
Roberts explained that a traffic light can not be installed at SH 289 and CR 78 at this time as the traffic does not
warrant a light at the present time. After the completion of CR 78, the Town of Prosper will request another
traffic signal study. The council will pass a resolution in favor of a signal and present the request to TXDOT.
Best case scenario for alight would be 12 months. Mr. Parkinson stated a concern for the general health safety
and welfare of the residents of Propser because there would not be traffic lights at the intersection of 380 and La
Cima Blvd.
Mr. Wadsworth has significant concerns with 273 lots in phase I of the development with only one entrance / exit
onto US 380. Mr. Parkinson agreed with Mr. Wadsworth. Mr. Papagolos agreed with Council's concerns on
safety issues. However, he stated that TXDOT would not progress with traffic safety improvement until
development occurs. Mr. Papagolos stated that he would work with Mr. Folsom on building the spine road on
thru to CR 78 for traffic issues and that the topography if the property requires him to develop from the south to
the north in order to make his sewer work.
Travis Roberts clarified the definition of a Preliminary Plat and stated that the commission's primary concerns
with the PD issues of the development would be addressed in the construction plans and final plat. He also
recommended that the Council should go forward with the passage of the resolution and submit the request for
traffic signals to TXDOT. Papagolos has offered four lanes for traffic within the entrance of the development.
Mr. Wadsworth concern is not for the roads within the development, but the traffic on US 380 with no traffic
controls.
Motion by Mike Wadsworth and seconded by Stephen Coffman to deny approval of the Preliminary Plat for La
Cima Phases I and 11. Vote was 4-0. Motion carried.
The Villas of Prosper, Richard Vlad — Workshop reQardina the Planned Development Agreement for a proposed,
development located on the north side of CR78, west of Steeplechase:
Mr. Mad was present and presented the commission with a revised PD Document.
His changes were as follows: public roads but gated development
Building materials: changed masonry from 80 to 85%
Minimum lot sq. ft.: density is less than 2 lots per acre with minimums at 12,500 sq. ft.
Open space: diagram on detention area
Cul-de-sacs: 27'
Steve Coffman expressed his concerns to the PD as follows:
1. City to be a party to the drainage Easement for Steeplechase and Northridge Addition and a Document
relating to such. Mr. Vlad will work with Jennifer Finley, City Administrator on this issue.
2. Description of the park area / land to be included in the PD Development Standards
3. Minimum 13,000 sq. ft. lots with the exception of 4 lots at 12,500 sq. ft.
4. Gated community / hike -bike trails: If community not gated, a hike and bike trail provision will be included
on the plan,
The commission does not want to vote on the PD until the PD is amended to include the amendments.
The Commission agreed to put PD Development Standards on the next available agenda for
consideration and approval.
Robert Hollowav — Discussion on proposed development:
Not present. Tabled until later date.
Adjourn: Meeting adjourned at 10:25 p.m.
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